biden to give us a little hyperbole as we all know. i think people discount that hyperbole. we know it's hyperbole. we wake up every day trying to build businesses. it's a misnomer out there that private he can quit profits by shrinking companies. in fact, it's just the opposite. private equity creates value by growing great companies. >> so when people look at the attack ads, that you take a company, a steel compa, you send the jobs overseas because that cuts the costs which it undoubtedly does, and in other cases you load it up with debt and you sell it, you don't think that's an inaccurate picture. >> that's totally inaccurate. in fact. we started a steel company in a cornfield in indiana. it's called steel dynamics. it has 6,000 employees today, one of the largest steel companies in the country. what happens in the campaigns, they need to use hyperbole to make these attacks. we have 350 investments, those companies over 28 years have grown twice as fast as the s&p 500. they've created $100 billion of new sales so that's extraordina